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04/27/2022 08:00 AM House EDUCATION

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08:05:53 AM Start
08:06:41 AM SB72
08:37:11 AM Adjourn
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+= SB 72 SEC. SCHOOL CIVICS EDUCATION TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS CSSB 72(EDC) Out of Committee
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 27, 2022                                                                                         
                           8:05 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Harriet Drummond, Co-Chair                                                                                       
Representative Andi Story, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Grier Hopkins                                                                                                    
Representative Mike Prax                                                                                                        
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Ronald Gillham                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tiffany Zulkosky                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 72(FIN)                                                                                                  
"An Act relating to civics education, civics assessments, and                                                                   
secondary school graduation requirements; and providing for an                                                                  
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HCS CSSB 72(EDC) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  72                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: SEC. SCHOOL CIVICS EDUCATION                                                                                       
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) STEVENS                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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03/24/21       (S)       DP: HOLLAND, HUGHES, STEVENS, MICCICHE,                                                                
                         BEGICH                                                                                                 
03/24/21       (S)       EDC AT 9:00 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/24/21       (S)       Moved CSSB 72(EDC) Out of Committee                                                                    
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04/20/21       (S)       CRA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
04/20/21       (S)       Moved CSSB 72(CRA) Out of Committee                                                                    
04/20/21       (S)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
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04/21/21       (S)       DP: HUGHES, GRAY-JACKSON                                                                               
04/21/21       (S)       NR: MYERS, WILSON                                                                                      
04/21/21       (S)       FIN REFERRAL ADDED AFTER CRA                                                                           
02/01/22       (S)       FIN AT 1:00 PM SENATE FINANCE 532                                                                      
02/01/22       (S)       -- Invited Testimony --                                                                                
02/08/22       (S)       FIN AT 1:00 PM SENATE FINANCE 532                                                                      
02/08/22       (S)       Moved CSSB 72(FIN) Out of Committee                                                                    
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02/09/22       (S)       DP:     STEDMAN,    BISHOP,     HOFFMAN,                                                               
                         WIELECHOWSKI                                                                                           
02/09/22       (S)       NR: OLSON                                                                                              
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02/16/22       (S)       VERSION: CSSB 72(FIN)                                                                                  
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02/17/22       (H)       EDC, FIN                                                                                               
03/11/22       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                               
03/11/22       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
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04/27/22       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM DAVIS 106                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TIM LAMKIN, Staff                                                                                                               
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Offered feedback on proposed amendments to                                                               
CSSB 72(FIN), on behalf of Senator Stevens, prime sponsor.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:05:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ANDI   STORY  called   the  House   Education  Standing                                                             
Committee  meeting  to  order  at   8:05  a.m.    Representatives                                                               
Hopkins, Prax,  Gillham, Cronk, Drummond, and  Story were present                                                               
at the call to order.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
               SB 72-SEC. SCHOOL CIVICS EDUCATION                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:06:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STORY  announced that the  only order of  business would                                                               
be CS  FOR SENATE BILL  NO. 72(FIN),  "An Act relating  to civics                                                               
education,  civics assessments,  and secondary  school graduation                                                               
requirements; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:07:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STORY  noted that  public testimony  had been  left open                                                               
from a  previous hearing,  and, after  ascertaining there  was no                                                               
one who  wished to testify,  she closed public testimony  on CSSB
72(FIN).                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:07:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND  moved to  adopt Amendment  1 to  CSSB 72(FIN),                                                               
labeled 32-LS0478\D.2, Marx, 4/20/22, which read as follows:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete ", civics assessments,"                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "and assessment"                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "and assessment that are"                                                                                      
          Insert "that is"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "and assessment"                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
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          "(b)  A district shall annually provide to the                                                                        
     department a report that includes  a description of the                                                                    
     civics  courses  offered  in  the  district  and  other                                                                    
     civics education curriculum  information as required by                                                                    
     the department in regulation."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
     "(4)  a description of the civics education curriculum                                                                 
      in the state public school system and civics courses                                                                  
     offered in each district."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:07:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  STORY objected  for  the purpose  of  discussion.   She                                                               
provided that the amendment would  remove the testing requirement                                                               
from the  legislation.   She stated  that currently  the proposed                                                               
legislation would require  students to pass a  civics exam before                                                               
receiving their high school diploma.   Referring to pages 100 and                                                               
101 in the 2017 report from  the Alaska Legislative Task Force on                                                               
Civics Education [included in the  committee packet], she pointed                                                               
out that the task force did  not support a high-stakes test.  She                                                               
recalled that  the federal requirements  of No Child  Left Behind                                                               
resulted  in  a  complicated  process  requiring  moderators  and                                                               
proctors,   and   the   outcomes  [that   were   expected   never                                                               
materialized].     She   expressed  hesitancy   to  support   the                                                               
[requirement of a civics exam].                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STORY  recounted that she had  participated virtually in                                                               
several  high  school government  classes.    Information on  the                                                               
proposed  legislation and  a copy  of the  sponsor statement  had                                                               
been sent  to these classes; afterwards,  seniors were questioned                                                               
on  the  civics  testing  requirement.    She  stated  that  some                                                               
students  responded  that they  had  no  problem with  a  testing                                                               
requirement;  however,  a  majority  of  the  students  supported                                                               
civics education that  focused on class projects.   She expressed                                                               
the understanding  that class projects create  discussions on the                                                               
importance  of voting,  which would  encourage  more students  to                                                               
participate  in elections.   She  voiced  the understanding  that                                                               
group  projects   in  government  classes  "make   it  real"  for                                                               
students.  She cited the example  of a project where students had                                                               
invited  assembly members  into their  class.   The students  had                                                               
become involved  with the  issues by  picking an  assembly member                                                               
and  following his/her  campaign.   She  provided  that the  goal                                                               
[with  projects  in  classrooms]  would be  to  put  civics  into                                                               
action.   She  relayed  that Lem  Wheeles  from the  Professional                                                               
Teachers Practices  Commission recommended  a [civics] test  as a                                                               
learning tool but  not a requirement for graduation.   She stated                                                               
that the  legislation would require  the Department  of Education                                                               
and  Early  Development  (DEED)   to  develop  specific  [civics]                                                               
curriculum.  She stated that the  students could be tested on the                                                               
[curriculum] without it being a high-stakes assessment.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:12:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX stated that  the Fairbanks North Star Borough                                                               
School  District (FNSBSD)  voiced concern  about a  test being  a                                                               
requirement [to  graduate].   He stated that  his concern  is not                                                               
about the  naturalization test, but the  requirement for students                                                               
to be familiar  with Native systems of government.   He expressed                                                               
the  opinion   that  this  is   an  unknown  factor   within  the                                                               
legislation,  and  a   test  on  Alaska  Native   history,  as  a                                                               
graduation requirement,  would be concerning.   He explained that                                                               
there is  a fluctuation in  the population of  FNSBSD, especially                                                               
because of  the construction trades  and the two  military bases.                                                               
He expressed the  opinion that because the  student population is                                                               
"pretty fluid" this  type of test would  not be a good  idea.  He                                                               
offered  his support  for a  test as  part of  an assessment  but                                                               
added that a test requirement  for graduation would be excessive.                                                               
He  suggested amending  the proposed  amendment  by deleting  the                                                               
word "annually" from line 16.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:15:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 8:15 a.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:15:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX moved  to adopt  Conceptual  Amendment 1  to                                                               
Amendment  1, [which  would remove  the language  "annually" from                                                               
line  16 of  the amendment,  which  read, "(b)  a district  shall                                                               
annually provide to the department a report that includes a".]                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:15:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  stated  that currently  Amendment  1  would                                                               
require the  districts to provide an  annual report to DEED.   He                                                               
voiced the opinion  that the curriculum would not  differ much on                                                               
a yearly basis,  so there would be no need  for an annual report.                                                               
He argued  that FNSBSD is  currently on a five-year  review cycle                                                               
and an annual report would be excessive.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:17:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    HOPKINS    responded    in    agreement    with                                                               
Representative  Prax,  but  he  suggested  that  there  could  be                                                               
another way that would not change  the structure of the bill.  He                                                               
deferred to the staff of the bill sponsor.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:17:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIM   LAMKIN,  Staff,   Senator   Gary   Stevens,  Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature,  directed attention  to Section  2 of  CSSB 72(FIN).                                                               
He stated  that this section  would be included in  AS 14.07.168.                                                               
He said that this statute  stipulates that the Board of Education                                                               
and Early  Development, in conjunction with  districts around the                                                               
state, provide an annual report to  the legislature on a "slew of                                                               
things."  He  stated that this idea pertains  to state standards;                                                               
there  is a  concern that  once reviewed  and updated  [programs]                                                               
would  be "put  on the  shelf" and  not reviewed  again for  some                                                               
time.   He specified  that this  has been  the [case  with civics                                                               
education], and  an annual report  would ensure  [the curriculum]                                                               
would  be reviewed  every  year.   He  continued  that once  [the                                                               
program]  is  established,  theoretically,  it would  be  just  a                                                               
matter  of  updating.    He   warned  that,  once  curriculum  is                                                               
developed,  without   an  annual  review,  [the   program]  could                                                               
possibly be forgotten.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HOPKINS argued  that  Conceptual  Amendment 1  to                                                               
Amendment 1 would be a  change to the districts' requirements but                                                               
would not impact  Section 2 of the bill.   He stated that Section                                                               
2 of  the proposed legislation  would still require the  board to                                                               
provide  a report  to  the  legislature.   He  explained that  if                                                               
districts  do not  change  their curriculum,  the  report to  the                                                               
legislature would  not change.  As  an example, he said  that the                                                               
language in the conceptual amendment  could read that "a district                                                               
shall  notify the  department when  curriculum  is finalized  and                                                               
changed."   He  stated  that  this change  would  not impact  the                                                               
annual report to  the legislature and would be less  work for the                                                               
districts.    He  questioned whether  Representative  Prax  would                                                               
consider  withdrawing   the  motion   to  adopt   the  conceptual                                                               
amendment  and offer  alternative language.   He  stated that  an                                                               
annual  report  would  still  be made  to  the  legislature,  but                                                               
districts  would  only  report   to  the  department  when  their                                                               
curriculum changed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:20:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:20 a.m. to 8:22 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:22:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  [moved to  withdraw  his  motion to  adopt]                                                               
Conceptual  Amendment  1  to  Amendment 1.    [No  objection  was                                                               
stated, and Conceptual Amendment 1  to Amendment 1 was treated as                                                               
withdrawn.]                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:22:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX moved  to adopt  Conceptual  Amendment 2  to                                                               
Amendment  1.   He  stated that  the  conceptual amendment  would                                                               
remove  the language  "annually" from  line 16  of the  amendment                                                               
[which currently reads "(b) a  district shall annually provide to                                                               
the  department  a  report  that  includes  a"]  and  insert  the                                                               
language   "when   updated"   on  line   18   after   "curriculum                                                               
information".   There being no objection,  Conceptual Amendment 2                                                               
to Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:23:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMKIN  conveyed  the  bill   sponsor's  appreciation.    He                                                               
reminded the  committee that  he had written  the report  for the                                                               
bill  sponsor  and  appreciated   that  the  document  was  still                                                               
"alive."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:24:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOPKINS  noted that Amendment  1 had not  yet been                                                               
adopted.   He stated that he  had read the final  report from the                                                               
civics task force  and offered the opinion  that civics education                                                               
is important.   He stated  that a  high school civics  teacher in                                                               
Fairbanks, Amy Galloway, had been  the [2020 Teacher of the Year]                                                               
in  Alaska, and  she  had provided  compelling  testimony to  the                                                               
legislature on  civics education.   He  stated that  the proposed                                                               
legislation, as  amended, would alleviate  some of  her concerns.                                                               
He offered  support for Amendment  1, as amended,  especially for                                                               
classroom  projects  [on civics].    He  stated that  during  the                                                               
civics task force meetings many  teachers, including Lem Wheeles,                                                               
had testified that they no longer  used the citizenship test as a                                                               
learning tool but as a fun exercise.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:26:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CRONK stated  that  he would  not  object to  the                                                               
amendment, but he  expressed the opinion that there  does need to                                                               
be accountability.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:26:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR STORY stated  that if [the legislation  imposed] a high-                                                               
stakes  test,  districts would  need  to  add extra  classes  and                                                               
possibly staff.  She expressed  concern that this would create an                                                               
unfunded  mandated.   She questioned  whether DEED  would combine                                                               
civics classes with American government classes.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:27:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMKIN,  in response  to  Representative  Prax, stated  that                                                               
Senator Stevens  aligns with the  idea that "if it's  tested then                                                               
it's taught."   He communicated  that the bill  sponsor's concern                                                               
is students'  exposure to social  studies and civics,  whether or                                                               
not a test is required to  graduate.  He stated that removing the                                                               
test requirement would be agreeable to the bill sponsor.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:29:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   STORY  expressed   the  opinion   that  teachers   are                                                               
continually assessing students in a  variety of ways to make sure                                                               
standards to pass classes are met.   She asserted that this is an                                                               
example of accountability.  She  voiced the opinion that focusing                                                               
on one  task would force  educators to  "teach to the  test," and                                                               
that would  leave project-based learning, which  puts civics into                                                               
action, at risk.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:29:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  STORY withdrew  her objection  to the  motion to  adopt                                                               
Amendment 1, [as amended], to CSSB 72(FIN).                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX objected  for the purpose of  discussion.  He                                                               
questioned  whether the  committee  would be  receiving a  report                                                               
from  DEED.    He  offered   that  the  assessment  part  of  the                                                               
legislation could be  revisited at some point in the  future.  In                                                               
agreement  with   Representative  Cronk,  he  stated   that  more                                                               
attention may need  to be put on accountability.   He removed his                                                               
objection.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:30:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND  objected for the  purpose of discussion.   She                                                               
stated  that  fiscal  note  2  shows  that  DEED's  revision  and                                                               
adoption of social studies standards  is currently underway.  She                                                               
related that  this work specially  includes civics  standards for                                                               
secondary school civics curriculum,  and this curriculum would be                                                               
made  available  to   districts  at  no  cost.     She  expressed                                                               
satisfaction  that  the  department  has already  taken  care  of                                                               
developing the curriculum.  She stated  that there may be a small                                                               
cost  in terms  of  legal  fees and  stipends  for educators  and                                                               
stakeholders  to develop  the civics  assessment and  curriculum,                                                               
but that may change by eliminating the assessment.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND removed her objection.   There being no further                                                               
objection, Amendment 1, as amended, was adopted to CSSB 72(FIN).                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:32:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 8:32 a.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:33:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR DRUMMOND moved  to report CSSB 72(FIN),  as amended, out                                                               
of   committee   with    individual   recommendations   and   the                                                               
accompanying fiscal  notes.  There  being no objection,  HCS CSSB
72(EDC)  was  reported  out  of   the  House  Education  Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:33:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:33 a.m. to 8:37 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:37:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Education Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 8:37 a.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 72 testimony 4-27-22.pdf HEDC 4/27/2022 8:00:00 AM
SB 72
SB 72 Am 2 to Am 1 Pass.pdf HEDC 4/27/2022 8:00:00 AM
SB 72
SB 72 Am 1 to Am 1 Withdrawn.pdf HEDC 4/27/2022 8:00:00 AM
SB 72
SB 72 Amendment 1.pdf HEDC 4/27/2022 8:00:00 AM
SB 72